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Old 04-01-2014, 01:20   #1
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Default Poppers decline in the last decade.

I know there are a few poppers threads that recognise the problem of decline in popper effectiveness. I am hoping that I might be able to elicit from knowledgeable users how I might possibly get some of the "good stuff" that was the norm a decade or so ago.

As far as I can make out, some politician in the UK managed to ban the following poppers about 5 or 6 years ago, most likely to further his own career:
Iso pentyl nitrite
Iso butyl nitrite
I'm not sure where amyl nitrite comes in this list as I never saw that on any label in the last 20 years (when I first tried poppers).

What was left was iso propyl nitrite. If you were lucky you might get one or two sniffs from this that were a little bit like the old poppers, but that was it. About 1% of the bottle is effective, as opposed to 80% or so from the old butyl/pentyl/ possibly amyl of old.

As to those who question why anyone would choose to use such elements, I can only say that I had the most fantastic sexual feelings when I tried them. I also had less adverse reaction than when I try Iso-propyl nitrite, and conclude that the iso-proyl is more dangerous.

So is there a source somewhere for iso-pentyl or iso-butyl nitrite (or even the amyl variant). Surely not every country in the world could have simultaneously have banned these? That makes no sense at all, there must be multiple countries out there still selling some of the good old stuff.

What really puzzles me is how the "effective" poppers (pentyl and butyl variants) seem to have disappeared worldwide. Surely there must be many countries that are happy to sell these?

I have seen mention that PowerPoppers can supply some of the old stuff (possibly from Canada, or is it Eastern Europe?). Is that true? Is it pot luck whether you get some some of the good stuff?

Any suggestions regarding which countries might still sell some of these in their sex shops, or elsewhere?

I welcome any advice on how to procure some of the good old stuff.

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You can get 'good stuff' from powerpoppers if you mention my name. But obviously I can't guarantee this, I just know that the who do are happy.

Alternatively you could try a trip to France. I've heard that the French government have accepted that People Will Always Sniff Poppers so they have made amyl available to buy again because amyl is less harmful than the ineffective, harmful alternatives that replaced them. There was discussion about this on Fetlife.
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Old 04-01-2014, 21:42   #3
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Many thanks Lady Anna. I will give PowerPoppers a go and use your name as an introduction.

Regarding France. Damn. I hate the place - too many froggies and crappy pubs. I went a skiing holiday there recently but that was all Brits, and definitely no sex shops.

I might try a cruise sometime so's I only expose myself to the culture in port for a few hours. Looking to the future, anyone know of any sex shops in Rouen, le Havre, Honfleur or Cherbourg?

If all goes well I'll come back into Southampton or Dover with lots of small bottles of the good stuff - a bit illegal, but I doubt that there is much chance of a customs search in these places, and hardly a hangable offence.

Anyone know if there are other civilised countries where I can get some of the good old stuff?

By the way, is the Amyl variant just like the Pentyl and Butyl variants?
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The amyl is the original and best. This is the nitrite that came in the little glass vials that you snapped to release the vapour, hence the name poppers. You popped the vial.

All the other nitrites: iso-butyl, iso-pentyl, c-hexyl, and iso-propyl were utilised to replace the amyl, which was certainly in this country re-designated as a medicine and thus became controlled under the Medicines Act.

Iso-butyl was banned by the EU in 2007, I think, because it was considered carcinogenic, after extensive studies on rats and mice. Pentyl and c-hex are often available from abroad, only propyl can be obtained in the UK.

Going backwards, in terms of dangerous and inferior, you have propyl (degrades easily into acid causing burns and cyanosis) then c-hexyl and pentyl (weak and ineffective) then iso-butyl (never just butyl - different chemical - which is a known carcinogenic) then the relatively harmless by comparison amyl nitrite, carried around by angina sufferers, to help save their lives.

Crazy isn't it that the 'safe' alternative, approved by the powers that be, is actually more likely to kill you? Being less effective, people use more of it to achieve, or in reality never achieve, the amyl rush. Kept in sex shops under hot lights the propyl, already degrading and developing into acid, is ready to burn you and cause severe breathing difficulties.

It's a mad world.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:01   #5
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Thank you once again Lady Anna.

I have some experience of poppers from about 1993 (me as a sub, Bianca as a dominatrix) and am trying to work out the effectiveness of each, with a view to recreating some wonderful feelings of old. You obviously have a lot of knowledge, certainly more than me.

Firstly, reading the above comments, I am a bit confused as to which traditional popper is best from a "hit" point of view, i.e. which gives the best instantaneous sexual high (at least thats how it got me), and for how long it might last.

Secondly, which of the amyl, pentyl or butyl (or any others except iso-propyl) last best from the bottle - can you get 80% or so of useful volume from these bottles with corresponding nice effects from these? Your comments suggest that the iso-pentyl is pretty ineffective.

I guess I'm asking for three lists:

1. Which popper gave the best hit.

2. Which popper lasted the longest from the bottle?

3. Which popper I should buy if I come across a wonderful source of all such poppers in e.g. France?

Hope I'm not being too much of a hassle, but I think that it's great that I can get the thoughts of those who understand this topic.

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I can't give you the definitive list you're looking for. But I can tell ou a few things.

Which gives the biggest hit is probably amyl, but other users may disagree, as experiences are always subjective. Some may say iso-butyl does but we know its a carcinogenic so....up to the individual. Pentyl and c-hex are weak. Propyl is weaker still.

Which lasts the longest is as much as about the quality of storage as the quality of the popper. I keep mine (JJ from PP) in a fridge so they're constantly cool and dark. They can last weeks, even a couple of months. If your supplier keeps them in a warm and or light environment they can be degrading (turning acidic) before you've even opened the bottle. A clue is in the psshhhh that comes when you take the lid off. The quieter the poppers the better quality they are in terms of degradation. Sex shops are a nightmare because poppers are often kept under lock and key in the glass counter, under hot lights. Or on top of a shelf at the back of the till. You may as well sniff car battery acid.

Which to get? This is worth remembering. People compare poppers by the front of the label, the name. Oh yes they say, buy Jungle Juice, it's the best! This is meaningless because depending where you buy it JJ could be an amyl blend, c-hex, pentyl or even propyl. They've all passed through my hands as JJ, some of them straight into the bin. The name is marketing, or trading on an image or reputation. It's fluff. Turn the bottle around and look at the contents, which nitrite is it? This is what is important.

My poppers are all labelled alkyl nitrite which is generic term. All nitrites, whether amyl, pentyl, c-hex etc, are alkyl. Using this term avoids prosecution in my experience with PP this is an amyl blend. Dont bother asking them what because they wont say but it is 'good stuff'. Very smooth, long asking (the hit) and keeps in the fridge for months. I buy in bulk so the bottles could be there for over a year.

It's also worth mentioning that when you use poppers the first hit of the session is always the most powerful. I've been monitoring pulses for years now. Subsequent hits will always be less of a rush (the BPM never reaches the initial reading) so being greedy and taking more and more is a waste of time. Accept the first hit is the best and you won't be disappointed or tempted into overdosing. This is the problem with UK poppers, propyl is weak, your BPM isn't as affected and those who remember amyl and iso-butyl and are trying to get the same high, often think its about quantity and take more and more thus introducing more of this vile substance into their respiratory system. A grey pallor, blue lips, shortness of breath is normal with propyl usually followed by nausea and a banging head.

I don't know what France is selling, I was under the impression it was amyl, but I haven't verified what I've heard. If you do go for a look I'd be delighted if you'd let me know. Just remember that customs would confiscate amyl if you don't have a prescription. You could always remove some of the label. Or take some iso-propyl labels with you?
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Old 05-01-2014, 18:21   #7
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Excellent information. many thanks Lady Anna. If I do make it across the Channel to France and get some, I will report back.

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Create your own..... Its not impossible
It's not impossible but unless you're a qualified chemist it's foolhardy. That isn't my opinion, it's the opinion of a chemist I know who said he'd never be tempted into making bathtub poppers. Too risky, with too many variables that could go wrong.
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