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Almost impossible to unpick I would imagine. Imagine: How would the profession and public treat a woman who said "Yes, I consented to having sex with him in order to get a big break and go on to achieve my fame and wealth" ? Would she be seen as a single strong minded individual achiever who played the system and won, or a whore climbing over her feminist sisters in the Hollywood crab bucket ? The reflected social attitude may well shape what she does or does not state. Regards, The Fireman.
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20-10-2017, 17:39 | #12 |
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The main issue here is surely that harassment of women is still rife in an age when it should be completely unacceptable. Debate elsewhere is focussed on how to stamp it out, not who might be lying, who else might come 'out of the woodwork', and when and how victims should come forward. Why is there so much cynicism on here, of all places?
Good to see social media has played an absolute blinder this week. This 'me too' hashtag has gone viral and has now been tweeted over one million times since last Sunday, by both men and women. |
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Me too maybe be better tagged #Myaccusation and has the potential to create as well as uncover. Would Buddha ask you to believe anything without evidence ? The French hashtag #balancetonporc 'Squeal on your Pig' is particularly worrying and potentially libellous*. I see no reason to rejoice whilst witnessing the return of medieval mob rule and witch hunts. If you want to re-watch a good film this weekend then you could do much worse than the 1996 film adaptation of Arthur Miller's The Crucible. I have no idea who produced it, or what was necessary to secure a role in it, but it is a powerful story. Well acted too**. You call it cynicism, I call it a healthy wariness of media hysteria. Regards, The Fireman. * One of the harassment charges is 'talking too closely to a woman' and 'following a woman down a street'. Are we due an harassment App which measures duration and proximity of surrounding women, prior to advising on better positioning or suggesting an alternative route to the shops ? ** Actually, I should follow my own advice. I remember being blown away by the sheer intense power of the story and still consider it one of my top 10 films. None of my peers of the time seemed to pick up on the magnitude and timeless relevance of the allegory. Nothing scares me quite as much as a single minded crowd.
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For what its worth , having lived in both the U.K. and U.S.A I knew a couple of women in the U.S. who told me they had been raped . I have never been told that by any English women .
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Yes, it's possible that the following concocted the whole story and he is completely innocent; Amber Anderson, actress Lysette Anthony, actress Asia Argento, actress and director Rosanna Arquette, actress Jessica Barth, actress Kate Beckinsale, actress Zoë Brock, model Juls Bindi, massage therapist Liza Campbell, writer and artist Marisa Coughlan, actress and writer Emma de Caunes, actress Florence Darel, actress Cara Delevingne, actress and model Sophie Dix, actress Dawn Dunning, actress Lina Esco, actress and director Alice Evans, actress Lucia Evans, formerly Lucia Stoller, actress Angie Everhart, model and actress Claire Forlani, actress Romola Garai, actress Louisette Geiss, screenwriter and actress Louise Godbold, nonprofit organization director Judith Godrèche, actress Trish Goff, former model, actress, and real estate broker Heather Graham, actress Eva Green, actress Ambra Gutierrez, formerly Ambra Battilana, model Lena Headey, actress Lauren Holly, actress Jessica Hynes, actress Angelina Jolie, actress and director Ashley Judd, actress Minka Kelly, actress Katherine Kendall, actress Mia Kirshner, actress Myleene Klass, singer and model Laura Madden, Weinstein employee Sarah Ann Masse, actress, comedian, and writer Rose McGowan, actress Natalie Mendoza, actress Katya Mtsitouridze, TV hostess Emily Nestor, Weinstein employee Jennifer Siebel Newsom, documentary filmmaker and actress Lupita Nyong'o, actress Lauren O'Connor, former employee Gwyneth Paltrow, actress Samantha Panagrosso, former model Zelda Perkins, Weinstein employee Vu Thu Phuong, actress and businesswoman Sarah Polley, actress, writer, and director Tomi-Ann Roberts, professor of psychology Lisa Rose, Miramax employee Erika Rosenbaum, actress Melissa Sagemiller, actress Léa Seydoux, actress Lauren Sivan, journalist Chelsea Skidmore, actress and comedian Mira Sorvino, actress Tara Subkoff, actress Paula Wachowiak, Weinstein employee Paula Williams, actress Sean Young, actress But I can also sort of understand why Ms Josephine Public might be jumping to hasty conclusions and be a bit angry about it, especially if it chimes with her own experiences in everyday life. Maybe hers is at least a voice worth listening to in the current debate? Is a sea change in public attitude such a bad thing? The point of the #metoo tweets were not to accuse individuals, rather to show solidarity with those who have suffered sexual harassment. Again, I accept that it's possible some could be lying. Last edited by Ogden McNitt; 20-10-2017 at 21:09. |
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Interesting to note how some men react to different types of sexual abuse.
Barstool, when it is Asian men doing it; The problem is obviously cultural, the child sex problem in the muslim world is massive, please trust me when I tell you Rotherham is the smallest tip of a very large iceberg. http://uk-mistresses.com/vBulletin/s...5&postcount=31 Barstool, when it's alleged powerful white men are doing it; I wonder how many `come ons` were actually launched by aspiring actresses trying to improve their profile. Maybe, like so many other scenarios, people are coming out of the woodwork trying to make something for themselves. http://uk-mistresses.com/vBulletin/s...32&postcount=6 |
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This whole saga rings similar bells to me as Savile a few years ago in the UK; people around the individual knew what he was up to or at least had a good idea butt for what ever reason did nothing about it at the time. Then someone stands up and makes an allegation and then there is tsunami of further allegations.
The issue the Law enforcement agencies and ultimately the Courts have to prove the allegations to be factual. I believe in the recent Hollywood allegations there is, like Savile, substance in the allegations. |
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Oh absolutely. There has to be substance in the allegations.
Rightly so the man needs to be investigated. But so many women NOW coming forward. Why Now. Why this late. Why. The answer of course may simply be a case of one woman being strong enough to stand up and talk about it. The others then following.
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However, if without any knowing detail, you and I and the rest of the World start believing in guilt by repetition of accusation then the man gets no fair trial. In this situation his absence and silence in the midst of the growing social-media storm may well be assisting his chances of acquittal. Clever as well as powerful, I wonder if the two are connected ? There is danger in numbers, and so I prefer to admit that sat here on the other side of the Atlantic, having not the slightest connection with (nor care for) the Hollywood bubble, and spending most of my life too shy to talk to woman let alone abuse one, the best that can be said is 'I just don't know'. This I think will be true of most commentators who believe his guilt is nailed on, without detail or defence. Kind Regards, The Fireman.
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